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Offline Machines.

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Reavers being beyond useless
« on: July 30, 2013, 01:39:29 PM »
Has anyone have this happen? Reaver push bunkers/sunkens/cannons and your reavers for whatever reason would not fire the scarabs? Here is a UGL game I played PvZ for a visual image.

Skip to the 7:00 for the reaver push.

I'm sure this has happened to other people before. My questions to you are...
How and why does this happen?
How to prevent it?

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2013, 02:41:04 PM »
my solution, dont depend on them, and use them to target middle sunks in clusters when attacking with goons and zlots

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2013, 03:10:51 PM »
Yep its very common.  When me and Butterfly use to cast PvZ we would joke about Reavers being Emo, slitting their wrists etc cuz they are always on a mission to suicide themselves.

There just seems to be random situations where Reavers won't obey their maximum range potential.

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2013, 03:25:47 PM »
I'm doing some offline experimenting. I think when there is a half a circle like in the replay I posted causes the reavers to do that.
I'm going to find someone to remake the exact same sunken placement my opponent did and target the sunkens that sunkens that were making a semi-circle.

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2013, 04:43:07 PM »
When I checked the replay and saw what base the zerg was in, it didn't surprise me. Never reaver push zergs at mid-right (3 o'clock), reavers tend to glitch hard there. In addition I heard top left and bottom right have problems too but theyre not as bad.

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2013, 07:11:10 PM »
Try changing the Reaver's angle, like if they are straight on, move them to the side a bit and re-try.  The angle of attack might have something to do with it.  I've seen the angle of attack change bunker ranges too.  Like sometimes a cannon can outrange a bunker if its at a certain angle.

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 07:45:17 PM »
I think I figured it out. The reavers become useless when the sunkens are in that circle formation. the idea is to sacrifice a few units and try to kill off that semi-circle....
And if that doesn't work. Curse and swear at the game and rage quit for wasting your resources and apm on reavers that didn't work which probably costed you the game.

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2013, 09:39:58 PM »
I think I figured it out. The reavers become useless when the sunkens are in that circle formation. the idea is to sacrifice a few units and try to kill off that semi-circle....
And if that doesn't work. Curse and swear at the game and rage quit for wasting your resources and apm on reavers that didn't work which probably costed you the game.

I prefer Option B

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2013, 09:41:27 PM »
ohhhhh I wasn't logged in... I was wondering why it asked for name / email before I could post x(

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2013, 09:54:24 PM »
LOL! Ya speaking of action B. Nobody knows on my end when bad things happen to me in SC (being dropped, losing a tank to sunken or reavers not doing what they should be doing). This is me when the above happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCW9Df-c3x4

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2013, 12:03:19 AM »
We've all been there, I use to be bad about that shit when I was younger.  I'm too old to get pissed now lol

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2013, 04:47:49 PM »
LOL! Ya speaking of action B. Nobody knows on my end when bad things happen to me in SC (being dropped, losing a tank to sunken or reavers not doing what they should be doing). This is me when the above happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCW9Df-c3x4
Why don't these things happen to good players?

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2013, 06:28:40 PM »
LOL! Ya speaking of action B. Nobody knows on my end when bad things happen to me in SC (being dropped, losing a tank to sunken or reavers not doing what they should be doing). This is me when the above happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCW9Df-c3x4
Why don't these things happen to good players?

They do, I've cast games on YouTube of top tier players where it happens and we talk about it in the cast.  It's just usually top tier players notice and pull the Reaver back in-time before it dies where-as average players let the Reaver die.  Sometimes there is nothing you can do though, no matter how many times you pull back and restart the Reaver still won't out-range a Sunken.

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2013, 01:32:05 AM »
LOL! Ya speaking of action B. Nobody knows on my end when bad things happen to me in SC (being dropped, losing a tank to sunken or reavers not doing what they should be doing). This is me when the above happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCW9Df-c3x4
Why don't these things happen to good players?

They do, I've cast games on YouTube of top tier players where it happens and we talk about it in the cast.  It's just usually top tier players notice and pull the Reaver back in-time before it dies where-as average players let the Reaver die.  Sometimes there is nothing you can do though, no matter how many times you pull back and restart the Reaver still won't out-range a Sunken.

I think I figured it out. The reavers only glitch like that when there is a semi-circle of sunkens/bunkers/cannons. Like making a half a circle at your choke causes the reavers to do that. To fix it is a simple fix.
Kill the defense that is hugging the side.
Send X amount of zealots/goons at one corner of the choke and kill the X amount of defense that hugs the side. That should fix the problem!
I'm still investigating the situation.

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Re: Reavers being beyond useless
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 12:45:46 AM »